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Steve Metalman
30th June 2013, 01:50 PM
No idea whats happened to Webby
He's really gone off the boil these last couple of years

I think theres more to that than meets the eye, seems odd he's just tailed off
Unless the pack has just got better and he's stood still

Burnett is always depending what time of day it is :winkodf:

But darts in Wales as a whole is regionally strong, but for a lot of people the travelling is a killer

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 01:52 PM
Only just tuned in, and I rubbed my eyes in disbelief when I saw that Lewis whitewashed Bomber.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 01:55 PM
All 6 legs with the throw still 3-3.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 01:56 PM
Only just tuned in, and I rubbed my eyes in disbelief when I saw that Lewis whitewashed Bomber.

I predicted a Lewis win but not by that amount. He played some very nice darts.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 01:56 PM
G'warn, big man.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 01:57 PM
I predicted a Lewis win but not by that amount. He played some very nice darts.

I fancied a Bomber win, he's been quite imperious lately, not in Peter Wright form, but still very good. Shocking result for him against a player who with all respect to Lewis, he should me murdering.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 01:58 PM
Henderson breaks to go 4-3 up.

jt64
30th June 2013, 01:58 PM
shocking leg from beaton, henderson breaks in his 7th visit to the oche

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 01:58 PM
Beaton deserved a shot there with that leave. First dart D5 from the Scottish rocking chair says otherwise.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 01:59 PM
I think Beaton might break right back here.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 02:00 PM
14 dart leg from Beaton to break back. 4-4

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:01 PM
Hendo hits too many single ones for my liking.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 02:03 PM
Hendo hits too many single ones for my liking.

He makes up for it with all the 180s :)

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 02:03 PM
5-5 with Beaton having hold throw for the win.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:04 PM
He makes up for it with all the 180s :)

He is prolific on that count, but in some cases, the amount of 140's hit are more important than 180's.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 02:06 PM
Steve Beaton (94.69) 6 (11) 5 (93.37) John Henderson

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:06 PM
Good win, Mr. Smooth. Unlucky, Hendo.

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 02:07 PM
Good win for Beaton

Paul R
30th June 2013, 02:08 PM
get in beaton!!!brilliant darts:biggrinodf:

501dartskid
30th June 2013, 02:09 PM
Good job from Steve. Showed bottle at the end there. Thought John made amistake not busting D5. I know he hit it but could have been important. OLM for Phil the Great. ABT anyone but taylor for me. Pleased for Steve.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:10 PM
Don't know much about this de Geus fella, but must be decent (destroyed Johnny Part yesterday, but THAT Part turned up). Still, 6-0 Taylor looks a good bet at 9/2.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:22 PM
Don't know much about this de Geus fella, but must be decent (destroyed Johnny Part yesterday, but THAT Part turned up). Still, 6-0 Taylor looks a good bet at 9/2.

Didn't back it obviously :rolleyesodf:.

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 02:32 PM
Sign the board Leon

Paul R
30th June 2013, 02:36 PM
very routine that one !!!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 02:38 PM
Could be a cracking match this one :)

Paul R
30th June 2013, 02:41 PM
agreed!!:biggrinodf:

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:47 PM
Class all round. Amazing set up from 191 for 32 from Snakebite, but Kimmy takes out 132 with two bulls!.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 02:47 PM
lovely 132 from huybrechts

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:56 PM
Quality game.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 02:56 PM
GAH, KIM.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 02:57 PM
huybrechts beginning to ignite here

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:02 PM
seems to me that so long as you can hit steady 14 darters you may just may be able to keep up with the big boys!

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:03 PM
Yes, Kim.

jsem
30th June 2013, 03:03 PM
What a great win for Kim.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:03 PM
great match,well done kim!:biggrinodf:

Alovenac
30th June 2013, 03:04 PM
What a match. Kim is a great player to see on the stage.

mc1958
30th June 2013, 03:05 PM
seems to me that so long as you can hit steady 14 darters you may just may be able to keep up with the big boys!

Easy peasy then Paul lol

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:05 PM
Easy peasy then Paul lol

if only mike,if only,at the mo 24 darts is a challenge lol

501dartskid
30th June 2013, 03:06 PM
Really impressive from Kim. Loved the 132. It'smy favourite fiinish done like that. Kim is some player. Well done.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:06 PM
Come on, Chizzy!.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 03:06 PM
Easy peasy then Paul lol

Yup, all you need to do is average 100+ :)

Alovenac
30th June 2013, 03:06 PM
Go Chizzy.

Had a accu with A. Lewis x Huybrechts x Brown :( x Beaton x Chizzy.

But i have also a single back on Chizzy against Hamilton :).

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:08 PM
Go Chizzy.

Had a accu with A. Lewis x Huybrechts x Brown :( x Beaton x Chizzy.

But i have also a single back on Chizzy against Hamilton :).

ouch,unlucky pal

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:09 PM
Go Chizzy.

Had a accu with A. Lewis x Huybrechts x Brown :( x Beaton x Chizzy.

But i have also a single back on Chizzy against Hamilton :).

It's always one bloody selection :rolleyesodf:. Still, at least he didn't miss 6 match darts.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:14 PM
what a miserable bunch the crowd look lol,would have thought the place would be buzzing seeing as its a stones throw from Spain!

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:16 PM
fancy chizzy to turn it on for this one

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:22 PM
The amount of 9 dart attempts in this tourney has been ridiculous.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:22 PM
just shows the high standard these days

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:24 PM
This is ridiculous. Two legs in a row Chizzy has left a potential 9 dart finish. Crest of a wave.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 03:25 PM
Losing a leg after you've been on a 9 darter must hurt!

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:25 PM
And almost yet another opening 180 for Chizzy, one dart strays in to T1.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:25 PM
chizzy is on fire!!

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:27 PM
When Chizzy is on form, he's without doubt the best scorer in the game. Well, maybe MvG can rival him.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:28 PM
6 180's in 6 legs. Wow.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:28 PM
chizzys scoring is crazy!6 180s already first 9 av 128 overall av just shy of 116

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:31 PM
Inches away from a 161.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:33 PM
Please let this mean that the real Dave Chisnall is returning.

jsem
30th June 2013, 03:33 PM
Chizzy is playing absolutely superb.

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:35 PM
Please let this mean that the real Dave Chisnall is returning.

certainly would be nice,he's been missing for a while!!

Alovenac
30th June 2013, 03:36 PM
Chizzy, what a perfomance!

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 03:36 PM
8 legs, 8 180's. Doesn't bode well for a certain forum member who's playing him :cheekyodf:.

jsem
30th June 2013, 03:36 PM
Match avg of 111.26

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 03:36 PM
Dave Chisnall (111.26) 6 (11) 3 (99.94) Andy Hamilton

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:37 PM
great match:biggrinodf:

Paul R
30th June 2013, 03:38 PM
8 legs, 8 180's. Doesn't bode well for a certain forum member who's playing him :cheekyodf:.

certainly doesn't lol,imagine what he's gonna be like after a proper warm up:cheekyodf:

501dartskid
30th June 2013, 03:38 PM
Well that really wassomething from Dave. 111 outstanding. That's why I love a player like Chiznall

phil the great
30th June 2013, 03:47 PM
Fantastic stuff from Dave, would have got big odds on 3 players getting 7 perfect darts and never getting a shot at the final double for the 9 darter! Great win for Painter too, crucial finishes at the right time, gonna go put a spare 20 quid on Taylor at 9/2 if I can find it, awesome price!!!

TROUBLEAGAIN
30th June 2013, 03:51 PM
8 legs, 8 180's. Doesn't bode well for a certain forum member who's playing him :cheekyodf:.


The 180 record will go at the Miners..

TROUBLEAGAIN
30th June 2013, 04:02 PM
Just reading tbc, Jani Haavisto fell off his scooter and might of broke his throwing arm-

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 04:10 PM
Just reading tbc, Jani Haavisto fell off his scooter and might of broke his throwing arm-

One of the commentators said someone was throwing with their arm in plaster, I never caught who they were talking about or where they were throwing though.

jsem
30th June 2013, 04:15 PM
That's horrible news if that's true. Haavisto is brilliant.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:25 PM
Great last leg, Adrian.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 06:26 PM
Michael van Gerwen (90.4) 5 (11) 6 (97.72) Adrian Lewis

Jack
30th June 2013, 06:26 PM
Nice to see Lewis regaining his form.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 06:28 PM
well Lewis showed up today, the better player won, thought he'd blown it at 3 all, should have been 4 1 up, but big credit to him, the last 2 legs with throw were excellent!!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 06:28 PM
Nice to see Lewis regaining his form.

He's brilliant to watch when he's firing well :)

501dartskid
30th June 2013, 06:28 PM
What a performance from Adrian. Really preasurised mvg. A truly memorable win. Well done.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:30 PM
Hope his little period of bad form has made Adrian a little more humble. His rants about being the best player in the World at the UK Open 2 years back were laughable.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:31 PM
Can't see anything but a Painter win in the next.

Jack
30th June 2013, 06:31 PM
Hope his little period of bad form has made Adrian a little more humble. His rants about being the best player in the World at the UK Open 2 years back were laughable.

He was World Champion.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 06:32 PM
Can't see anything but a Painter win in the next.

That's where my money would be as well. Jamie Lewis had played very well this comp but Painter has found some awesome form also. Might be closer than some think though.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:33 PM
He was World Champion.

So if I was to get into the World Champs, win it, and then play below par (just laughed thinking about what my below par game would be like *shudder*) in all the other tournaments, I'd be best player in the World?.

Jack
30th June 2013, 06:35 PM
So if I was to get into the World Champs, win it, and then play below par (just laughed thinking about what my below par game would be like *shudder*) in all the other tournaments, I'd be best player in the World?.

At that level you have to believe you are the best,he won the Worlds and then won it again,he wouldn't of done that just thinking he was ok.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:39 PM
At that level you have to believe you are the best,he won the Worlds and then won it again,he wouldn't of done that just thinking he was ok.

It wasn't what he said for me, it's the way he said it. Contempt for his fellow player was pretty clear.

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:41 PM
At that level you have to believe you are the best,he won the Worlds and then won it again,he wouldn't of done that just thinking he was ok.

Still, Wade is arguably the most aloof player about, and I'm a big fan of his. Lewis's reaction to Ross Smith's 9 darter was nice to see.

Jack
30th June 2013, 06:42 PM
Could be a Lewis Derby?

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:42 PM
Could be a Lewis Derby?

I fancy Lewis to win, but you can never count out Lewis.

Jack
30th June 2013, 06:43 PM
Brilliant 99 out from Painter.

Giraffe
30th June 2013, 06:44 PM
The 180 record will go at the Miners..

ill do my best to break it for you

Jack
30th June 2013, 06:46 PM
This Lewis seems to have a nice action,until his actual release!

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 06:48 PM
1, D12 for Painter on 25?. Takes it out clean, but I thought he loved the lower left side of the board?. Surely the usual 9, D8 would have made more sense. Ah well, he knows his game better than I do.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 06:56 PM
This Lewis seems to have a nice action,until his actual release!

The jerk and the elbow drop are not nice to see but it obviously works the chap.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 06:58 PM
Lewis must be thinking he can beat him. He's broken Painter's throw twice. Just needs to hold his own.

jsem
30th June 2013, 07:03 PM
Ouch, Painter kicking off 43 when he needs to break throw.

jsem
30th June 2013, 07:04 PM
Lewis derby in the final.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 07:04 PM
Kevin Painter (86.74) 5 (11) 6 (93.91) Jamie Lewis

AllTorque
30th June 2013, 07:04 PM
Fair play, Joe. Amazing performance. Couldn't quite outdo Chizzy on the 180's.

501dartskid
30th June 2013, 07:08 PM
What a performance from Jaimie. Apparently he's in the World Matchplay.

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 07:10 PM
Wow that is one run for Jamie Lewis. Intriguing action but it sure works for him. Good to see Welsh darts producing another potential star. Still only 21.

I wonder if Mr Bunting is taking note.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 07:15 PM
Great win for Lewis, it's wins like that that kickstart careers, Matchplay place now, well done to him! O L M! O L M! O L M!! 20 quid on him for the tournament tonight!!

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 07:18 PM
It's looking good for the OLM

Tongo
30th June 2013, 07:20 PM
Beaton playing well but Taylor handing out one of his lessons again. 4-0.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 07:20 PM
Will the adonis get a leg?

Tongo
30th June 2013, 07:22 PM
Will the adonis get a leg?

Looking unlikely!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 07:23 PM
Anyone else's stream playing up?

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 07:23 PM
Sign the board Steve

Tongo
30th June 2013, 07:23 PM
6 zip to Taylor.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 07:24 PM
Steve Beaton (102.54) 0 (11) 6 (112.73) Phil Taylor

Tongo
30th June 2013, 07:24 PM
Sign the board Steve

Not a bad couple of days for him though.

Jack
30th June 2013, 07:24 PM
My stream playing up

Tongo
30th June 2013, 07:25 PM
Steve Beaton (102.54) 0 (11) 6 (112.73) Phil Taylor

Beaton didn't get a single dart at double!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 07:25 PM
My stream playing up

I missed the end of the last leg there.

Seems to be alright again now though, after a refresh.

JohnMC
30th June 2013, 07:25 PM
Anyone else's stream playing up?
Yep, been choppy the last 2 legs.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 07:27 PM
Bloody hell, I could well be quids in tonight after that, gonna take a herculean performance to stop Taylor it appears!!

Tongo
30th June 2013, 07:31 PM
C'mon Kim!

Alovenac
30th June 2013, 07:32 PM
Chizzy have his normal flights back.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 07:50 PM
Kim Huybrechts (96.6) 4 (11) 6 (96.74) Dave Chisnall

jsem
30th June 2013, 07:50 PM
Yeah, Chizzy!

phil the great
30th June 2013, 07:51 PM
Great win Chizzy!! WHY did he leave 118 though? Ought to have scored 98 I thought, ended up in a mess on the last dart splitting 19 there! Great match, the standard has been great this tourney!

Jack
30th June 2013, 07:53 PM
Great win Chizzy!! WHY did he leave 118 though? Ought to have scored 98 I thought, ended up in a mess on the last dart splitting 19 there! Great match, the standard has been great this tourney!

Was suprised he went for D19 with Kim back on 177.

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 07:54 PM
C'mon Kim!

First time I read that I thought it was "C'mon Tim!"

phil the great
30th June 2013, 07:56 PM
Was suprised he went for D19 with Kim back on 177.

yeah, he could have even split it 6 double 16, really weird that he left such an awkward double, I said at the time if he misses the first dart at double 8 the pressure is on for ONE dart at the double, which may be blocked, yes he got it, but he should have split the 38 for sure!! Fancy Adrian in this next match, Chizzy could push Taylor assuming he can just keep going how he has been!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 08:03 PM
C'mon Lewis!

Tongo
30th June 2013, 08:08 PM
C'mon Lewis!

Chortle!

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:13 PM
What a chance for Jamie Lewis now, somehow sneaked the single 20 in, and the double 16 and now a great chance for him to break!!

bwtimmer
30th June 2013, 08:19 PM
Can I see a webcam showing Michael Smith following the livescores? :)

jsem
30th June 2013, 08:27 PM
Wow, that last leg and those missed doubles..

bwtimmer
30th June 2013, 08:27 PM
World Matchplay for Jamie

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 08:28 PM
Adrian Lewis (93.45) 5 (11) 6 (84.05) Jamie Lewis

Great to see Jamie doing so well :)

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:30 PM
What an incredible final leg from Jamie, he bottled it at 5 3 up and I NEVER fancied him in the decider but fair play to him, fantastic after 9 darts, Adrian will be gutted, so pleased for Jamie though, great to see a new face doing awesome stuff!!

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 08:31 PM
Chisnall & the OLM could go all the way of Dave hits his doubles

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:34 PM
COME ON PHIL!!! #believeintheolm

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 08:35 PM
No preference of the outcome of this one, just hoping for a close match.

jsem
30th June 2013, 08:43 PM
URRGHHH, come on Chizzy.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:45 PM
Taylor appears to have the aura back, where it's very difficult to play him, because players know what Taylor COULD do, and are almost scared of pushing him, just in case they get virtually murdered, plus as Rod says he could be tired, which is where Taylor excels, he never seems to tire, seems like a machine who could play to a 100 average minimum until breakfast time tomorrow!

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:48 PM
I think Dave there on 112, having blocked treble 20, could have even gone treble 14 for Bull, it was the only realistic way he could have gone, would have been a miracle to throw a treble 20 there!!

jsem
30th June 2013, 08:48 PM
You absoutely CANNOT miss chances like that against the OLM.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:50 PM
Great 95 Chizzy!!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 08:53 PM
Phil Taylor (102.69) 6 (11) 2 (99.42) Dave Chisnall

phil the great
30th June 2013, 08:53 PM
awww WHAT a shot!! I thought he'd got the Bull at first! Very good from Taylor!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 08:54 PM
I've nout against Taylor, but I'd love to see an upset in the final.

More chance of hell freezing over though...

Jack
30th June 2013, 08:59 PM
I've nout against Taylor, but I'd love to see an upset in the final.

More chance of hell freezing over though...

There's more chance of Ben and Cameron being mad Mods on here.

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 08:59 PM
Sign the board Dave

Phil C
30th June 2013, 09:16 PM
What games are left guys? I'm still out

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 09:17 PM
What games are left guys? I'm still out

The final has just started mate.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:18 PM
Wow right in the middle of tops! I wonder if he ever gets tired? He never seems to. . . Lewis is doing very well I must say!!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 09:19 PM
That first leg may have been a lot different if that bounce out on Jamies first throw was in.

Yea, he's doing great :)

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:25 PM
True Rod about Jamie, but then he'd have to hit EVERY double he went for, which isn't really possible with Taylor on your back all the time, the problem is for players even IF they put Taylor under pressure, he responds so often it's not like you can have a great start against him and win, SOOO often I've seen him come back to win so that's why a lot of players I think fear playing him

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:26 PM
well done Jamie, pleased for him!!

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 09:28 PM
well done Jamie, pleased for him!!

He's done himself proud this weekend, no doubt about that.

TROUBLEAGAIN
30th June 2013, 09:30 PM
4-1 and the great one on his way to another win

Jack
30th June 2013, 09:32 PM
T18 first for 125?

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:34 PM
hmmm Jamie Lewis going the "old school" way of treble 18 on 125, vs the "new school" way of 25 or Bull, I don't mind that way, discuss. Well done OLM, back with a bang!!! #believeintheOLM

Wile-E-OneEighty
30th June 2013, 09:34 PM
Sign the board Jamie

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 09:35 PM
Jamie Lewis (90.5) 1 (11) 6 (101.42) Phil Taylor

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:36 PM
T18 first for 125?

hmm, treble 18 leaves 71, still need a treble, but if you go Bull you can go 25 Bull from 75 left, but then you're aiming at Bull, is it better to aim at trebles than the Bull? Interesting. . .

Jack
30th June 2013, 09:36 PM
hmmm Jamie Lewis going the "old school" way of treble 18 on 125, vs the "new school" way of 25 or Bull, I don't mind that way, discuss. Well done OLM, back with a bang!!! #believeintheOLM

Ridiculous.

Trash Man
30th June 2013, 09:38 PM
Well played Mr Taylor.

I've been very impressed with the PDC.tv stream. Well worth the money.

Does anyone know if we, in the uk, can watch next weekend's action via the steam? I read somewhere that ITV4 are not showing the afternoon sessions due to some bike ride that's going on.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:40 PM
WOW did I hear Phil say he'd offered to throw the match vs Winstanley due to missing the double 12? Can he do that????

phil the great
30th June 2013, 09:42 PM
Ridiculous.

It's not that bad a secondary way is it??? Trebles are bigger so it's a 50 50 choice I reckon

bwtimmer
30th June 2013, 09:43 PM
I knew the D12 wasn't in. I believe Phil though. I don't think he did that on purpose, he once tried wearing glasses after all. Maybe he should put them on again :)

MrMeister
30th June 2013, 09:46 PM
I knew the D12 wasn't in. I believe Phil though. I don't think he did that on purpose, he once tried wearing glasses after all. Maybe he should put them on again :)

He's doing alright without them ;)

Fingers_Steady
30th June 2013, 10:02 PM
So the whole tournament is a sham all because taylor couldn't own up that he missed the double 12,i could see from my blurred stream that it wasn't in,How can you not do it on purpose,the dart is either in or its not.

Very amateur from the Professionals.

highlanderjim
30th June 2013, 10:09 PM
whats going on with D12 gate?

TROUBLEAGAIN
30th June 2013, 10:17 PM
great to see Miners man Chizzy showing a return to form. He will need that to beat the Forum crew.

Fingers_Steady
30th June 2013, 10:19 PM
Yesterday taylor beat winstanley,during the match he wired a double 12 he whipped it out before bray could see it and told him to call it which he did.It was early in the match and deano was waiting on a single dart outshot.

Apparently he has come out tonight and admitted it wasn't in.He should be disqualified but then ,it could of been winstanley in his place.
The tournament is void imo.If I was winstanley I would be raging.So what he might of been beat anyway but that's not the point.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 10:19 PM
So the whole tournament is a sham all because taylor couldn't own up that he missed the double 12,i could see from my blurred stream that it wasn't in,How can you not do it on purpose,the dart is either in or its not.

Very amateur from the Professionals.

lol it wasnt the deciding leg or anything was it! I'm sure the same has never happened in all the years of the BDO either. . . I still haven't seen it again yet, isn't it both Taylor's and the referee's fault though as the ref is supposed to check to make sure too? Perhaps Taylor knew he'd missed it, went to pick it out and let his opponent throw, but the ref called game shot, therefore Taylor thought "oh well it stand then, nothing I can do now". Think about it, what would they have done if the ref called game shot, and the dart was still in the board, what about the scorecards on the paper side? Perhaps once the ref calls game shot they can't go back? It would be interesting to find out what the rule is in that case, can anyone clarify?

highlanderjim
30th June 2013, 10:22 PM
i find it hard to beleive that taylor managed to get to the board before the ref could see the dart.....

phil the great
30th June 2013, 10:23 PM
Yesterday taylor beat winstanley,during the match he wired a double 12 he whipped it out before bray could see it and told him to call it which he did.It was early in the match and deano was waiting on a single dart outshot.

Apparently he has come out tonight and admitted it wasn't in.He should be disqualified but then ,it could of been winstanley in his place.
The tournament is void imo.If I was winstanley I would be raging.So what he might of been beat anyway but that's not the point.

they should have replayed the match then, apparantly as asked for by Taylor, we'll never know if that's true or not I guess, but then what about TV times? That surely wouldn't work from a TV schedule perspective, this surely must have happened a few times on the floor, if the player takes the dart out before the ref can check it what happens then? Shouldnt the ref be quicker, I mean if he's not seen it the ref doesn't know if it was in or not so can only take the player's word for it

TROUBLEAGAIN
30th June 2013, 10:24 PM
Very strange turn of events.

Fingers_Steady
30th June 2013, 10:25 PM
Same thing happened during a Lloyd match earlier in the day.Lloyd was sportsman like and said the score was wrong.All taylor had to say it wasn't in when bray called.Your not suppose to take the darts out the board until the ref calls the score.

Just another example of taylors un sportsman like behaviour.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 10:25 PM
i find it hard to beleive that taylor managed to get to the board before the ref could see the dart.....

True, usually the refs have FINISHED looking at the board and are calling the score, hence they've even added it up by the time the player lays hands on the darts to retrieve them, I think Taylor knew it wasnt in, the ref thought it was, called game shot, and then Taylor wasn't sure what to do, and neither was the ref so they just left it, it was a misunderstanding from both parties I think, there will definitely be some sort of meetings and clarification to make sure it never happens again that's for sure! In fairness it's the first time I've ever known this to happen on a TV tourney

Shed Inn
30th June 2013, 10:29 PM
lol it wasnt the deciding leg or anything was it! I'm sure the same has never happened in all the years of the BDO either. . . I still haven't seen it again yet, isn't it both Taylor's and the referee's fault though as the ref is supposed to check to make sure too? Perhaps Taylor knew he'd missed it, went to pick it out and let his opponent throw, but the ref called game shot, therefore Taylor thought "oh well it stand then, nothing I can do now". Think about it, what would they have done if the ref called game shot, and the dart was still in the board, what about the scorecards on the paper side? Perhaps once the ref calls game shot they can't go back? It would be interesting to find out what the rule is in that case, can anyone clarify?
Ayup Phil

Ill clarify it for you fella, if you can't beat a bloke fair and square, you call it out.as a fellow Yorkshire man I'd expect you to call it out.
I know I would, hollow victory I think.
Might not of affected outcome of game, but leaves a sour taste in the mouth me thinks.

Shed.

Fingers_Steady
30th June 2013, 10:32 PM
Same sort of thing happened once when I was marking a game,Guy wired two double 5's.thought he had hit it with the second and turned to shake his opponents hand,he was bemused when I told him it wasn't in.You should always wait for the ref or marker to call the shot as he has a better view than the player.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 10:35 PM
Ayup Phil

Ill clarify it for you fella, if you can't beat a bloke fair and square, you call it out.as a fellow Yorkshire man I'd expect you to call it out.
I know I would, hollow victory I think.
Might not of affected outcome of game, but leaves a sour taste in the mouth me thinks.

Shed.

I'd call it out, like when I play pool, I play what I think is the right shot at the right time, I try my best, shake hands at the end, I don't like losing but I think if you're not gonna try your best then there's no point playing, the game must be played in correct competitive spirit, I wish I could see it again to be sure, once the ref called it I assumed that I must have been wrong but it appears it really wasnt in

phil the great
30th June 2013, 10:37 PM
Same sort of thing happened once when I was marking a game,Guy wired two double 5's.thought he had hit it with the second and turned to shake his opponents hand,he was bemused when I told him it wasn't in.You should always wait for the ref or marker to call the shot as he has a better view than the player.

then it's 50 50 Taylor's fault for removing the dart before the score was called, and it's also the marker's fault for not standing up to Taylor and telling him it wasnt in and to get on with it

Jack
30th June 2013, 10:38 PM
If anyone thinks taylor needs to cheat to beat this lot,then they are seriously deluded.

Fingers_Steady
30th June 2013, 10:41 PM
Whats that got to do with anything,So if a lesser known player done what taylor did it would be ok ?

Jack
30th June 2013, 10:41 PM
Whats that got to do with anything,So if a lesser known player done what taylor did it would be ok ?

You probably wouldn't even mention it

F4tboy
30th June 2013, 10:43 PM
Same thing happened during a Lloyd match earlier in the day. Lloyd was sportsman like and said the score was wrong. All taylor had to say it wasn't in when bray called. Your not suppose to take the darts out the board until the ref calls the score.

Just another example of taylors un sportsman like behaviour.

This.

Why own up after the event, he should have done the honourable thing like Jaws did and say at the time.

Shed Inn
30th June 2013, 10:45 PM
If anyone thinks taylor needs to cheat to beat this lot,then they are seriously deluded.

Ayup Jack

We know he doesn't have to cheat! It's the fact that he did knowingly.
Shows the man has no morales.
Doesn't sit well with me mate, win fair and square or not at all.

Shed.

Jack
30th June 2013, 10:45 PM
This.

Why own up after the event, he should have done the honourable thing like Jaws did and say at the time.

What exactly is the full script,because this is all a bit vague.........................Taylor went to retrieve his dart after game shot being called,saw it wasn't in D12,but pulled his darts out and carried on regardless?

Antony208
30th June 2013, 10:46 PM
i was there and that was defo not in

Fingers_Steady
30th June 2013, 10:46 PM
You probably wouldn't even mention it

Im sure people would,there is no need for cheating in darts.

Jack
30th June 2013, 10:46 PM
Ayup Jack

We know he doesn't have to cheat! It's the fact that he did knowingly.
Shows the man has no morales.
Doesn't sit well with me mate, win fair and square or not at all.

Shed.

But what's the full story Shed,cos I don't fully understand.

Shed Inn
30th June 2013, 10:56 PM
But what's the full story Shed,cos I don't fully understand.

Ayup Jack

I can only comment in the 3rd party, as I haven't watched any streaming.
But when a respected member such as Phil the great.
Says he didn't think the dbl 12 was in, I'll take his word for it.
So in that respect, a true sportsman would of called it out.
Taking the win is IMO, is a cheap shot!

Shed.

Jack
30th June 2013, 10:58 PM
Ayup Jack

I can only comment in the 3rd party, as I haven't watched any streaming.
But when a respected member such as Phil the great.
Says he didn't think the dbl 12 was in, I'll take his word for it.
So in that respect, a true sportsman would of called it out.
Taking the win is IMO, is a cheap shot!

Shed.

I agree Shed,but that doesn't mean Taylor thought it wasn't in,perhaps it was pointed out to him later?

Steve Metalman
30th June 2013, 10:58 PM
I'd be the first to defend Taylor when things unnecessarily get out of hand
But cheating is still cheating

If thats true, thats very naughty and inexcusable

Jack
30th June 2013, 11:01 PM
I'd be the first to defend Taylor when things unnecessarily get out of hand
But cheating is still cheating

If thats true, thats very naughty and inexcusable

Agreed.

Shed Inn
30th June 2013, 11:08 PM
I agree Shed,but that doesn't mean Taylor thought it wasn't in,perhaps it was pointed out to him later?

Ayup Jack

If anyone on that stage new it wasn't in it was Taylor! The only other person who could of pointed it out to him was Russ Bray.
And if he ignored the fact, then he's in Taylor's pocket!
And should be removed from refereeing.

Shed.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:16 PM
This.

Why own up after the event, he should have done the honourable thing like Jaws did and say at the time.

He likely got told to clear the whole mess up, it makes no difference now of course

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:19 PM
What exactly is the full script,because this is all a bit vague.........................Taylor went to retrieve his dart after game shot being called,saw it wasn't in D12,but pulled his darts out and carried on regardless?

yeah that's what I think, I could swear the ref called game shot first, which makes sense considering that they look at the board BEFORE the player gets to the oche nearly all the time, but once Taylor removed the dart can they go back and rethrow? I know they can change the scores but surely once the darts are removed the throw is history never to be returned to

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:21 PM
Ayup Jack

I can only comment in the 3rd party, as I haven't watched any streaming.
But when a respected member such as Phil the great.
Says he didn't think the dbl 12 was in, I'll take his word for it.
So in that respect, a true sportsman would of called it out.
Taking the win is IMO, is a cheap shot!

Shed.

It definitely wasnt in, and I said at the time as did others that I thought it wasn't in, I'd love to see the whole throw again that's for sure!!

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:24 PM
I agree Shed,but that doesn't mean Taylor thought it wasn't in,perhaps it was pointed out to him later?

I reckon he realised almost as soon as he'd retrieved the dart, but too late then, plus on the way to the board called game shot so surely a player then is thinking about the next leg and removes the dart without thinking about it? I know sometimes player think darts are in and are almost walking to the board before they realise it wasn't, so I can see it happening the other way round, it's a mess and no doubt it kicked off in the back!

Jack
30th June 2013, 11:26 PM
I reckon he realised almost as soon as he'd retrieved the dart, but too late then, plus on the way to the board called game shot so surely a player then is thinking about the next leg and removes the dart without thinking about it? I know sometimes player think darts are in and are almost walking to the board before they realise it wasn't, so I can see it happening the other way round, it's a mess and no doubt it kicked off in the back!

If he retrieved the dart and knew it wasn't in,then he should of said,it certainly wasn''t too late.

MrMeister
30th June 2013, 11:27 PM
it's the refs job to call this surely?

if he called game shot then surely it's not wholey taylor's fault?

shouldn't mr bray be getting more stick for this? it's his job to call the bloody thing

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:28 PM
Ayup Jack

If anyone on that stage new it wasn't in it was Taylor! The only other person who could of pointed it out to him was Russ Bray.
And if he ignored the fact, then he's in Taylor's pocket!
And should be removed from refereeing.

Shed.

Exaclty, I mean he called game shot before Taylor got to the board I think, and it wasn't even like the darts was RIGHT on the wire, remember Dolan's double 8 and double 4 against Taylor in the UK Open Quarter Final? I can remember it wasn't bending the wire so there's no way the ref should have ever got it wrong

Jack
30th June 2013, 11:29 PM
it's the refs job to call this surely?

if he called game shot then surely it's not wholey taylor's fault?

shouldn't mr bray be getting more stick for this? it's his job to call the bloody thing
If Taylor knew it wasn't in then he should of corrected Bray,it happens often on the rare occasion they call the score wrong.

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:30 PM
If he retrieved the dart and knew it wasn't in,then he should of said,it certainly wasn''t too late.

did he check though? Maybe when the ref called game shot he took the dart out without properly looking, surely doesnt look and actually mentally check everytime they retrieve a double? Surely sometimes they just pick the dart out due to thinking about the next leg

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:33 PM
it's the refs job to call this surely?

if he called game shot then surely it's not wholey taylor's fault?

shouldn't mr bray be getting more stick for this? it's his job to call the bloody thing

I think the problem is Bray thought it was in, Taylor should have corrected him, but due to Bray calling the shot he removed the dart without properly looking and took the ref's word for it, you are correct MrMeister I think the blame is shared

Jack
30th June 2013, 11:33 PM
did he check though? Maybe when the ref called game shot he took the dart out without properly looking, surely doesnt look and actually mentally check everytime they retrieve a double? Surely sometimes they just pick the dart out due to thinking about the next leg

So how does he know it wasn't in then?

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:35 PM
If Taylor knew it wasn't in then he should of corrected Bray,it happens often on the rare occasion they call the score wrong.

Surely that's not the same as rethrowing though, I wonder if they can totally void a throw and rethrow or can they only alter the score and correct the throw that way?

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:35 PM
So how does he know it wasn't in then?

more than one person must have told him when the match had finished, there was likely uproar in the back

Jack
30th June 2013, 11:37 PM
Surely that's not the same as rethrowing though, I wonder if they can totally void a throw and rethrow or can they only alter the score and correct the throw that way?

On what dart did the incident occur?

phil the great
30th June 2013, 11:39 PM
On what dart did the incident occur?

I think it was the last one of the current throw, and then the leg was done so it's not just a case of altering a score due to it not being mid leg like it usually is

clacky
30th June 2013, 11:41 PM
Well I play darts and I am in my fifties But when I get close up to the board I can,t see to well and need to put reading glasses on to see if a dart is in or out.
So I would think Taylor is the same.
cheers

Jack
30th June 2013, 11:41 PM
I think it was the last one of the current throw, and then the leg was done so it's not just a case of altering a score due to it not being mid leg like it usually is

If it was the last dart,he just says it wasn't in [assuming he knows] and then just carry on.

AllTorque
1st July 2013, 12:12 AM
On D12 gate, the fact that the game was more or less over just makes it even more strange. It wouldn't be any more acceptable, but it would be more understandable if someone did the same thing against Phil Taylor. He knows his game at it's best beats pretty much everyone, so why he'd do this I don't know. Maybe he thought it was in originally?. I say take a large chunk of the award money off of him and donate it to charity or something.

TROUBLEAGAIN
1st July 2013, 12:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xg3dsCjTbr8#at=27 9 Darter vid.

MrMeister
1st July 2013, 12:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xg3dsCjTbr8#at=27 9 Darter vid.

great reaction from both guys!

nice shirt adie's wearing as well

also about his darts, apparently he was asked if he was still using his old Unicorn set and said they were a new Target set. So maybe keep an eye out for when target releases it's 2014 range

medinabello
1st July 2013, 06:27 AM
hmm, treble 18 leaves 71, still need a treble, but if you go Bull you can go 25 Bull from 75 left, but then you're aiming at Bull, is it better to aim at trebles than the Bull? Interesting. . .

125 you have to go for Bull. You should be able to hit outer Bull at least, thus leaving another shot at either 60 tops or if left on 75, go for a treble 17 as a treble is bigger than an outer Bull.

medinabello
1st July 2013, 06:33 AM
Having not seen the incident, I can only imagine that Taylor shot for D6 on the last dart, he knew he missed it, Bray called it in and Taylor didn't argue. Simple as that. Play on. Russ Bray is 100% at fault here. He is paid, handsomely to referee these matches, the least he can do is check the scores properly.

Paul R
1st July 2013, 07:24 AM
if this is the D12 incident that I think it is,i must admit it DIDNT look into me either,but when phils playing as said earlier you would expect him to voice up!!

Paul R
1st July 2013, 08:27 AM
Ayup Phil

Ill clarify it for you fella, if you can't beat a bloke fair and square, you call it out.as a fellow Yorkshire man I'd expect you to call it out.
I know I would, hollow victory I think.
Might not of affected outcome of game, but leaves a sour taste in the mouth me thinks.

Shed.

100% agree here shed,although IF it would have changed the outcome is something we will never know,cant believe taylor didn't know what to do,when in reality there is only one thing to do......the right thing,very odd behaviour from the most decorated dartist ever!!ive a feeling that mr winstanley KNEW it wasn't in by the way he had a very very good look at it even bending down for an alternative view,then sort of hit that not sure what to do situation,does he voice up and potentially open a can of worms?or does he leave it and play on,but now with a huge distraction in his head,im not saying taylor done it on purpose just a very very strange thing,especially seeing as it was being streamed!

Paul R
1st July 2013, 08:32 AM
just noticed that Jamie lewis has jumped up a whopping 15 places in the OOM his now 60 from 75,just shows what a decent run can do,and his now qualified for the matchplay,at the expense of Michael smith I believe!:biggrinodf:

chizzy up to number 9

The Truth
1st July 2013, 09:09 AM
Just watched the 9 darter and I must say it was great to see Lewis react like he did.

JohnMC
1st July 2013, 09:11 AM
Well it's hard to say what Phil actually saw or not. He seems to go on auto pilot when he's on a roll and considering his darts do tend to go in at an angle and he's 52, chances are he didn't look properly. I guess we need some video to be sure. Then again, it wasn't a close match and Phil would have won even if Deano got another leg in there.
If he did know it would be a move well, well below his reputation as greatest ever and he needs to be fined or punished. Even if it's Russ Bray's responsibility.

With the poor camerawork with this latest event some shots were hard to see, so hard to say from my angle whether Phil could see it.

Nato
1st July 2013, 09:14 AM
Having not seen the incident, I can only imagine that Taylor shot for D6 on the last dart, he knew he missed it, Bray called it in and Taylor didn't argue. Simple as that. Play on. Russ Bray is 100% at fault here. He is paid, handsomely to referee these matches, the least he can do is check the scores properly.

Agree that is 100% Russ's fault here, and the PDC should acknowledge it by stepping him down from the Euro Champs. They need to keep the standards high and just glossing over it isn't the standard that we come to expect.

He is a good caller and a great voice of the game but all referees need to be shown that they need to up the game and move with the sport.

My suggestion may sound harsh but has to be done for what has to be one of the biggest errors that could be made.

At the same time how Taylor didn't spot it I do not know, even as you approach the board someone who has played so many games could see something wasn't quite right.

Jack
1st July 2013, 10:45 AM
No mention of the incident what soever on the PDC site!

Jack
1st July 2013, 10:47 AM
PDC release statement regarding Taylor v Winstanley
THE PDC has issued the following statement in relation to the Gibraltar Darts Trophy game between Phil Taylor and Dean Winstanley:

FOLLOWING speculation and discussion on various online and social media forums, the PDC can confirm it has reviewed footage of the conclusion of the fourth leg of the Gibraltar Darts Trophy second round match between Phil Taylor and Dean Winstanley, where Taylor was awarded game shot on a finish of double 12.

The footage shows that the dart landed outside the double 12 segment however both Taylor and match referee Russ Bray have confirmed they were unaware of this whilst Winstanley did not raise his concerns at the time.

PDC Tournament Director Tommy Cox confirmed: "I spoke with both players and the referee and Phil offered to replay the match, which under the rules is not an option, and Dean confirmed that he wants to put the incident behind him and concentrate on his next event.

"I would like to reassure the public that that fairness, transparency and integrity are top priorities of the PDC and this unusual episode is purely attributable to a rare human error from the referee."

Nato
1st July 2013, 10:48 AM
No mention of the incident what soever on the PDC site!

It was there yesterday, before the final I think.

medinabello
2nd July 2013, 09:47 AM
Agree that is 100% Russ's fault here, and the PDC should acknowledge it by stepping him down from the Euro Champs. They need to keep the standards high and just glossing over it isn't the standard that we come to expect.

He is a good caller and a great voice of the game but all referees need to be shown that they need to up the game and move with the sport.

My suggestion may sound harsh but has to be done for what has to be one of the biggest errors that could be made.

At the same time how Taylor didn't spot it I do not know, even as you approach the board someone who has played so many games could see something wasn't quite right.

Taylor must have known the dart was out.

Jim H
2nd July 2013, 10:22 AM
Just watched the 9 darter and I must say it was great to see Lewis react like he did.

Agree with that mate. It was a great moment and Lewis looked genuinely pleased for him. I know Lewis gets a lot of stick from some folk, but he always shows genuine sportsmanship.

Juggalo
2nd July 2013, 10:37 AM
Agree with that mate. It was a great moment and Lewis looked genuinely pleased for him. I know Lewis gets a lot of stick from some folk, but he always shows genuine sportsmanship.

True, he was the same years ago when silverback got his. Unlike a few players when they have 9 darters thrown against them.

Jim H
2nd July 2013, 10:43 AM
True, he was the same years ago when silverback got his. Unlike a few players when they have 9 darters thrown against them.

I think I know who you mean :winkmb:

Insider
2nd July 2013, 01:26 PM
I think I know who you mean :winkmb:

Wade was barely even looking in the same direction as MVG when he was on the back-to-back nines, although did tell the crowd to shut up when Brendan Dolan was on his nine at the Grand Prix...

MrMeister
2nd July 2013, 01:30 PM
Wade was barely even looking in the same direction as MVG when he was on the back-to-back nines, although did tell the crowd to shut up when Brendan Dolan was on his nine at the Grand Prix...

He was probably happy for the other guy the first time it happened, maybe even the second and third, he's probably just tired of it happening against him now ha

Pharaoh66
2nd July 2013, 01:57 PM
just noticed that Jamie lewis has jumped up a whopping 15 places in the OOM his now 60 from 75,just shows what a decent run can do,and his now qualified for the matchplay,at the expense of Michael smith I believe!:biggrinodf:

chizzy up to number 9

I still cant get on with Jamie Lewis darts...lol. Glad they are working for him though!

Juggalo
2nd July 2013, 02:12 PM
Just made a list and Wade has had 5 TV 9 darters thrown against him, next is Ando & Barney tied with 3 and then next is jackpot with 2 against him thanks to Smith over weekend. Everyone else on the list has 1 against them.

Tongo
2nd July 2013, 04:01 PM
just made a list and Wade has had 5 TV 9 darters thrown against him, next is Ando & Barney tied with 3 and then next is jackpot with 2 against him thanks to Smith over weekend.

Out of interest, has Taylor ever been on the receiving end of a televised 9 darter?

Jack
2nd July 2013, 04:08 PM
Don't be daft,they all "bottle" it. :smileodf:

Juggalo
2nd July 2013, 04:13 PM
Don't be daft,they all "bottle" it. :smileodf:

Haha probably true, nobody has hit a 9 against Mr T. Hamilton came closest back in the 06 Matchplay I think.

Tongo
2nd July 2013, 04:14 PM
Don't be daft,they all "bottle" it. :smileodf:

Of course, how remiss of me to forget!