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canadianbullseye
30th December 2010, 10:36 PM
just watched colin osborne have this number and started out going for triple 19 first.Can anyone tell me why players go for triple 19's when on this number? I know I've seen players go for triple 18's on certain numbers when in the 300's but I can not understand why. can someone please explain.

Buzz180
30th December 2010, 10:41 PM
If he had gone for anything other than the 19/tbl 19, he wouldn't have been on an outshot if he only hit a single. yes a 180 would leave a shot, but he had better odds with the 19 & 2 x tbl 20's to leave 167.

smiley
31st December 2010, 12:46 PM
... with his first dart if he had hit a single 19...he would be left with 287 and will still have 57 + 60 to leave a finish...this way he has two bites of the cherry at T19. If he threw for T20 first dart and hit a S20, then 286 with whatever combination he went for, it would not be possible to leave a finish (S20,T20,T20 leaves 166... S20, T20,T19 leaves 169...S20, T19,T19 leaves 172 all bogey numbers !).

If player hits T19 T19 then it leaves 192, which is a 25 to leave 167. Therefore for 306 the best way is to throw for T19 with the first two darts...

302 is another finish that players throw for 18s for first 2 darts...same principle as above, although for 18s...

Regards
Smiley :)

dartnut
31st December 2010, 12:52 PM
301- t20 t20 s20
302- t18 s18 t20
303- t19 t19 s19
304- t20 t20 s20
305- t20 bull t20
306- t19 s19 t20
307- t20 t20 s20
308- t20 t20 s18
309- t20 t20 s19 or bull

dartnut
31st December 2010, 12:55 PM
if you want to count like some pro's do: don't ever leave 349,348,346,345,343,342,33'; doesn't leave a finish with a following 180....
275, 272 t20 s20 bull
271, t19 s19 bull
235 20,20 bull
234 20 bull 19
233 19 bull 19
232 20 20 bull
231 20 bull 19

Dartguy
31st December 2010, 03:03 PM
Thanks for these charts, guys! I have always been one to think about the "theory" of darts, but I have never written down or memorized these numbers. It should be part of everyone's dart game. Too many times, I see pros leaving bogey numbers. When they reach that level, there is no excuse to leave a non-out (unless they miss a big single with the 3rd dart). With that much talent, they always have a decent chance at any out shot.

I have always started thinking about leaving a big out shot with the last 2 darts, but now I will concentrate on all 3. I seem to leave big outs, more often than my opponents because I try to. And for that reason, over the years, I have taken out every one of them at least once. Anyone with the same experience should be able to say the same.

Not much feels better than to take out a nice high finish, when your opponent left a bogey and hit the first 2 triples!

Thanks again!

dartnut
31st December 2010, 04:06 PM
if you want reasoning in darts you should read the article by Ken Berman on Crow's darts, how the pro's do it; he reasons all numbers for finihes; if you understand him you can use the same logic to all finishes; why no 259 but 260 and so on...

http://www.crowsdarts.com/dprosdoit.html